Crazy automation
#1
Crazy automation
Not sure this is the right place to ask this question, but our new washer (Maytag MVWC416FW) drives me crazy because it doesn't allow anything to happen manually. Examples: (a) it won't fill with the lid up, (b) if you let it fill then open the lid while you get something, it drains after about 5 minutes (I've probably wasted a quart of detergent), and (c) if you unplug it before this happens it drains as soon you plug it back in. Just want to add detergent etc AFTER it fills, let it agitate a bit, then add clothes. Is there a way to turn some of this off?
If we return it, are we going to find the same annoying "features" on other brands/models? And how would we know in advance if you have some level of manual control? Loved our old GE which let you fill with the lid open, then resumed the cycle once you closed the lid.
If we return it, are we going to find the same annoying "features" on other brands/models? And how would we know in advance if you have some level of manual control? Loved our old GE which let you fill with the lid open, then resumed the cycle once you closed the lid.
#2
Electronic washers should have a pause button that you can press so it stops during any cycle then restarts when you push it again to continue where it left off.
If you don't mind me asking, why?
The detergent is added when the water's filling up, along with water. The clothes need to be in there first, since it has a water sensor, so it knows how much water to add.
I imagine someone must sell the most basic of washers, if that's what you really want.
Good luck returning it tho. Seriously!
Just want to add detergent etc AFTER it fills, let it agitate a bit, then add clothes.
The detergent is added when the water's filling up, along with water. The clothes need to be in there first, since it has a water sensor, so it knows how much water to add.
I imagine someone must sell the most basic of washers, if that's what you really want.
Good luck returning it tho. Seriously!
#3
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Loved our old GE which let you fill with the lid open, then resumed the cycle once you closed the lid.
#4
I had these complaints all the time when I still worked. Some of the new washers have a pause button but most don't. You can thank the EPA for your washer. All washers are like this now, this started about 5 or 6 years ago. If you want a good old style look for a used Kenmore or Whirlpool top load. If you go this route Look under it about 6 inches up for a streak of oil. If there top gearcase seal leaking and will need work.
#5
Just want to add detergent etc AFTER it fills, let it agitate a bit, then add clothes.
If you don't mind me asking, why?
The detergent is added when the water's filling up, along with water. The clothes need to be in there first, since it has a water sensor, so it knows how much water to add.
If you don't mind me asking, why?
The detergent is added when the water's filling up, along with water. The clothes need to be in there first, since it has a water sensor, so it knows how much water to add.
The Pause button does work but it still drains after some annoying period of time, like 15 or 30 minutes, whether the lid is up or down. Not clear to me what the purpose of that could possibly be.
Last edited by suobs; 01-01-18 at 01:46 AM.
#6
A couple more questions about this electronic crap. The water level never seems to get above the level of the clothes, in fact even if I open it mid-wash, only about a third of the load is in the water. Is this normal?
BTW, if this is a strategy to keep us idiot members of the public from using too much water, the obvious workaround that most people will discover for this issue is to keep it on Deep Wash all the time, which of course uses much more water (it fills the entire tub) than being able to select low, medium, high water level.
Not seeing how having the washer drain automatically when it shouldn't saves water. It wastes both water and cleaning products. And my time.
BTW, if this is a strategy to keep us idiot members of the public from using too much water, the obvious workaround that most people will discover for this issue is to keep it on Deep Wash all the time, which of course uses much more water (it fills the entire tub) than being able to select low, medium, high water level.
Not seeing how having the washer drain automatically when it shouldn't saves water. It wastes both water and cleaning products. And my time.
Last edited by suobs; 01-01-18 at 01:58 AM.
#7
I imagine someone must sell the most basic of washers, if that's what you really want.
#8
Yes buy a cheap top loader and disconnect the lid switch.... Not recommended but if that's what you want...
https://www.homedepot.com/p/Amana-3-...16FW/207204027
https://www.homedepot.com/p/Amana-3-...16FW/207204027
#9
It should have a detergent dispenser. That's what I meant about adding it first. Your's doesn't have one? As for adding non chlorine bleach, you can either get a liquid detergent that already has it added or just dilute it in a cup first, then add it to the tub before throwing your clothes in.
As for returning it, they generally only give you 7 (or maybe 14) days to return it.
As for returning it, they generally only give you 7 (or maybe 14) days to return it.
#11
It should have a detergent dispenser.
As for adding non chlorine bleach, you can either get a liquid detergent that already has it added or just dilute it in a cup first, then add it to the tub before throwing your clothes in.
As for returning it, they generally only give you 7 (or maybe 14) days to return it.
See, I thought someone might know of a good manual washer that can be bought new.
Last edited by suobs; 01-01-18 at 07:22 AM.
#12
I've considered jamming something into the switch where the shutoff prong fits but the prong itself would have to be removed. It would either have to be cut to fit into the switch without sticking up or a part milled to fit the fancy shape of the switch. A replacement for this 1" piece of plastic is $25.
#15
You're getting argumentative with me when I'm just throwing out some suggestions, since I didn't know what washer you have or what it does and doesn't have. It's not my fault you bought one you don't like.
As for making a point about returning it, you made it quite clear you were considering it in post #1
To answer this question
Yes, you can check out practically anything online first. You can pretty much look thru all washers (or any appliance) and see closeups, read specs, d/l manuals, read reviews and Q&A's.
As for making a point about returning it, you made it quite clear you were considering it in post #1
If we return it,
Part of my original question was how you would know in advance what crazy junk a washer has on it before buying it. As near as I can tell, there is no way.
#16
I do appreciate your help but is it argumentative to say I'm not seeing what was argumentative in my replies? Sorry you percieved it that wasy. I was disagreeing tho. The argument is with the manufacturers.
Sure, but I doubt you can find an online description that gives the details I'm looking for, i.e., they don't say whether or not it lets you fill with the lid up or that it doesn't drain if you pause for 15 minutes. For example, my manual doesn't say it drains any time it's left for 15 minutes on pause or after it's unplugged. . All they say is the so-called features they want to highlight, not the inconveniences.
We considered returning it but since there was no way to figure out which ones (if any) allowed manual operation it would have taken forever to find one that met our expectations for manual operation if at all. And it's now been confirmed by pugsl that they don't make manual washers anymore. Also you can't try them in stores and salespeople don't know. So the reality of it is you're stuck with the automation; only brand would be different.
Yes, you can check out practically anything online first. You can pretty much look thru all washers (or any appliance) and see closeups, read specs, d/l manuals, read reviews and Q&A's.
We considered returning it but since there was no way to figure out which ones (if any) allowed manual operation it would have taken forever to find one that met our expectations for manual operation if at all. And it's now been confirmed by pugsl that they don't make manual washers anymore. Also you can't try them in stores and salespeople don't know. So the reality of it is you're stuck with the automation; only brand would be different.
#17
Here is the part # I found. The picture doesn't look right but can be returned from amazon
W10837741
If I remember right you can unscrew the one in lid and stick in lock than you can open and close lid.
W10837741
If I remember right you can unscrew the one in lid and stick in lock than you can open and close lid.
#18
No it doesn't look right at all. Also the washer is a Maytag, the part is a Whirlpool.
It occurred to me to unscrew the one in the lid and insert it permanently in the switch, but as near as I an tell the mount part would stick up above the lock/switch opening. Then it would be crushed when the lid is closed, unless it's cut off.
It occurred to me to unscrew the one in the lid and insert it permanently in the switch, but as near as I an tell the mount part would stick up above the lock/switch opening. Then it would be crushed when the lid is closed, unless it's cut off.
#19
The water level never seems to get above the level of the clothes, in fact even if I open it mid-wash, only about a third of the load is in the water. Is this normal?
Did anyone know the answer to my question above? Is water level really supposed to be that low in HE washers?
#20
Yes, it's supposed to be low in HE washers. Looking at the washer there's a deep water wash option if you want more water.
#21
Whirlpool bought Maytag many years ago, Pretty much the same machine except for name plate and cost.