DSC access possible without a landline ??


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Old 07-27-18, 11:17 AM
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DSC access possible without a landline ??

Not sure if what I need even exists or perhaps I just am not recognizing it when I see it but here goes .........................

I have a DSC 1832 system with an Escort module.
For those who may not know -
the Escort allows communication / actions with the alarms system over a phone land line using the phone keypad.

My question / situation / quandry (!) is this -
Is there a module or phone ( circuit board ? ) or something that will access and controlling the Escort with a cell phone ( no land line needed ) ??
The watever-itmight-be would have to be a cell phone of some sort in order to call the system 'directly'.

Any ideas, thoughts ?

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Old 07-28-18, 11:09 AM
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With Honeywell products there is Direct Connect.
I know there are cellular monitoring devices but I'm not aware of a cellular remote for DSC.

The forum pro, Mr Ron, may know.
 
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Old 07-28-18, 07:13 PM
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No, they don't make anything like that: DSC
 
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Thank You both for the responses.
I suspected that was the case due to the fact that the device would literally have to BE
a cell phone, with it's own phone number, account etc etc.

The fact that both of you could figure out what I was really asking DESPITE my lousy grammar/typing/spelling is a testament to both of you !!! ;-)

Thank You both again.
 
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It's actually a fairly common question. The problem is that the alarm makers haven't come up with a solution that is both cost effective, and will pass UL muster. If the insurance industry won't cover the liability, then they won't put it on the market.
 
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New approach using cell /Escort ( maybe )

First, Thank You MrRonFl
I had not even considered the UL / reliability / insurance implications at all. It certainly makes sense though.

At any rate, I am curious if anyone has tried one of the 'cell docking devices' that essentially
allows the hardwired phones and extensions in your home to go through the your cell phone.
Disconnect the land line.
Plug the 'cell docking device' into a phone jack in your home.
'Connect' your smart phone to the 'cell docking device' - the device apparently also charges
your cell phone while it is connected to the device.
Pick up a phone in your house, call out and it goes out through the cell phone using the cellular network. Incoming calls to your cell phone can also be answered on any phone in your house that is plugged into the 'hardwire phone loop' in your house.
There are several makes / models of these devices and I'm curious if they would able to work with a DSC Escort module.

Anyone heard of this or tried it or heard that it does or doesn't work ???

If not, I think I'm going to play guinea pig. The one I'm looking at is about the best rated and I can try it for 30 days so ........................ and besides, it shouldn't take anywhere near that long to find out if it's going to work or not ;-)

If I don't hear anything in a few days, will plan on ordering one, trying this 'scheme' and post the results here !!

Thanks Again in Advance
 
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You can give it a shot. It really is dependent on how good a job the device/system replicates a normal DTMF phone line system.
 
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Gonna try one !!

Thanks Again Mr. RonFL.
Will get one, install it, and take it for a test ride !!
Have to work this in between selling a house, building another and moving but -
Will post results regardless of outcome.
 
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Hi there,

DSC PC5580 escort module can be accessed via the Bentel Cell unit

http://www.dsc.com/index.php?n=products&o=view&id=1396

Ive have also used my LTE router with an RJ45 connector to my panel and dialled the number in the router ... Panel answered - " Hello"
 
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The Bentel product (Bentel Security | Products > Security Products > Universal Cellular Communicator - BGS-220/B3G-220) looks like a nice solution. However, I don't think it's available for the North American market.
 
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Old 09-23-20, 06:14 PM
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DSC Escort utilzing a Dock'N'Talk and NO landline !!!!!

Disclaimer - I have NO financial interest whatsoever in the Dock'N'Talk or the company that manufactures it.

Where does the time go ??!! After selling one house, building another house and moving, 2 YEARS later (!),
I finally got around to trying a Dock 'N' Talk. to avoid getting a landline - brief description of the device is below.

To make a long story short - the Dock'N'Talk does work with the DSC Escort unit and has eliminated
my need for a land line !!
The only caveat that I have discovered so far is - when calling the Escort from outside ( as opposed to
picking up a phone in the house and entering the Escort's access code ) there is a 1 to 2 second delay
when the Escort answers and the Dock'N'Talk completes the connection. Consequently, one does not hear the
normal 'Hello' from the Escort unit. However, after about 1 to 2 seconds, enter the access code and the unit
proceeds normally.

Hope this helps someone else.

I have been unable to find another unit, at least something that does not require a so called 'smart phone' which I have no intention to ever owning again, that will do what the Escort does, - ie. anything you can do from a regular keypad in addition to remotely controlling X10 devices.
I know, I know old technology, and not completely reliable
BUT
1) you don't have to take out a 2nd mortgage to buy the X10 stuff, unlike the newer equipment and
2) I have software that allows creation of programs to do almost anything you can dream up with X10 devices,
Software like that is another item I have been unable to find or afford without selling both kidneys !!

Dock'N'Talk
This device allows you to utilize the phone wiring and hardwired phones &/or wireless phone base with their own 'extensions' in your house. The Dock'N'Talk is connected to your house phone wiring and then you can use hardwired extension(s) &/or wireless 'extensions' to make and receive calls just as though you had a landline.
The device creates a 'dial tone', connects to your cell phone via blue tooth, the cell phone can be charged during use and the installation and use is straight forward.
 
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Maybe I am getting technologically challenged in my old age but doesn't your Dock'N'Talk and house lose phone service (and the alarm's ability to call out) when you go out taking your cell with you? My Panasonic landline phone system has a cell docking feature but I never found it that practical so I don't use that feature.

Isn't keeping a DSC or Vista able to connect with the world still more robust using your Internet service (which is supposedly always available) and an Envisionlink? As for automation expense, plug in smart sockets have gotten so stupid cheap now and have the ability to be controlled by the Alexa constellation of functions, it seems the more limited X10 is pretty much museum stuff now. I remember decades ago dissecting an old X10 handheld ultrasonic remote so I could connect magnetic reed switches across the pushbutton contacts so I could control it with my trusty old TRS-80 Model 1. Shortly after that Radio Shack came out with a dedicated TRS-80 to X10 interface however, it didn't have a way to control it other than with it's own proprietary software that didn't allow writing a basic program to operate it like my cobbled together system that was able to be far more flexible.
 
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Well, no, I don't lose service, I leave a cell phone at home for the Doc'N'Talk because a second cell account is under $20 while, at least where I am a basic no call waiting, no 3-way calling, NOTHING landline is $50 - $60 a month depending on what charges are on the bill ( some of which the phone company CANNOT explain EXACTLY WHAT the charges are - $.50 here, $1.38 over there and 4.96 for this 'n that start to add up !! ) And landline can still be cut !
As for internet, up until about 6 month ago had 'satellite internet' for over 5 years and NO, it is NOT always available. Even now, with dish communications over 11 miles, you can have difficulty with heavy precipitation so the best backup is still cell, at least in my book.
Nothing I have found will allow me to remotely control almost any aspect of the alarm system. If you can do it from the keypad, you can do it with the Escort.
As far as automation, there used to be a software package for X10 that allowed the creation of 'programs; to do almost anything you can think of, I had one installation where, if the alarm was triggered and it was night time, the alarm would issue a command through the Escort which triggered a macro that executed commands to turn on various inside and outside lights, in sequence with varied delays between each light coming on, just as though someone was awake and turning the lights on.
And lastly, spent my almost my entire adult life working with computers, and acquired perhaps a contrarian view as to their benevolence.
Given some of the things I have read, some of the things I've experienced and some of the things I know how to do, to put it simply I wouldn't have Alexa near my house, let alone inside of it or in voice range.
Same goes for OnStar, another solution looking for a problem and don't go near ANYTHING called 'the cloud' or store ANYTHING on it.
 
 

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