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Vinyl siding and rusty nails and screw not biting. Serious water issue or nothin

Vinyl siding and rusty nails and screw not biting. Serious water issue or nothin

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Old 08-27-16, 07:57 PM
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Vinyl siding and rusty nails and screw not biting. Serious water issue or nothin

I'm putting lags into the rim board and in a 5 ft section the lags aren't biting totally to the end.

Also some of the siding nails have rust on the heads.

I'm mildly concerned water is getting behind the siding and into the frame of the house.


I don't see any evidence of water issues other then some soft spots with the screws and rusty nails.

Am I just being crazy? Or anywhere to check for more serious issues?
 
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Old 08-27-16, 09:43 PM
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Welcome to the forums.

Why are you putting lags into the rim board...... for what purpose ?
What size lags are you using ?
What do you have for siding ?

Can you see the rim board in the basement ?
 
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Old 08-28-16, 07:06 AM
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Guess that info would help..ha

I'm putting ledgerlok 3 5/8" into a ledger board
I have vinyl siding. Under neath the vinyl is some sort of black board In the shape and size of plywood but it's not plywood.

I might be able to see the rim board if I removed a bunch of insulation.

The nail heads are rusty though
 
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Old 08-28-16, 08:18 AM
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Sounds like you have Celotex sheathing.
Post some pictures.
No way should you be installing a deck ledger over Celotex, it's going to compress and likely break over time.
There's always moisture forming behind vinyl siding, that's why there should have been house wrap, and galvanized roofing nails used.
 
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Old 08-28-16, 01:35 PM
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Certainly pictures would help. http://www.doityourself.com/forum/el...your-post.html

What is the purpose of the ledger? Are you installing a deck? Overall insight as to what you are doing will help as well.
 
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Old 08-29-16, 08:57 AM
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Hopefully yours is better then mine
 
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Old 08-29-16, 09:01 AM
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It says FiberLam on the side.

House was built 20 years ago. We just moved in a year or so ago.

What's my options then
 
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Old 08-29-16, 09:06 AM
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Building a deck but if this a serious issue then I'll have to hire out.

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Old 08-29-16, 04:43 PM
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Photo 1 shows a nail with poor galvanization, or none at all. Not a deal breaker. Pictures 2 and 4 are close ups of something, but I can't tell what it is. Step back and let us see where you are installing your ledger. You may want to read this material, which will be very helpful when you decide to put all the pieces together and make plans for the deck. http://www.awc.org/pdf/codes-standar...Guide-1405.pdf
 
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Old 08-30-16, 06:59 AM
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Sorry.

Is the other
Poster correct. Fiberboard or FiberLam can't be used under ledger!


Picture 1
Is pulled up siding showing my sheathing is a brand called FiberLam and not traditional wood sheathing.
(didn't want to remove entire piece)

Picture 2
Is an inside view from of the bandboard. Showing no rot or softwood.

Picture 3
Same as picture 1

Picture 4
Same as picture 2


I just left my house for a few days on business.
 
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Old 08-30-16, 07:20 AM
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You don't want any type of material that can compress between the ledger and the framing! that includes your fiberboard.
 
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I know I'm not being helpful at this point but maybe someone else will see this thread and build differently but the problems you're having are great examples of why I'm a fan of free standing decks.
 
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Old 08-30-16, 09:56 AM
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Thanks

What does code say though? Does code allow it?

I'm going to have two rows of footers. So not a free standing deck completely but a hybrid deck.
 
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Old 08-30-16, 11:49 AM
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See IRC Table R502.2.2.1.

Celotex is not solid 1/2" sheathing and can crush.
 
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Old 08-31-16, 07:05 AM
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Appreciate it.
I called the city and they said as long as the FiberLam didn't distort or become crushed in anyway it meets code and will be approved.


According to to table it appears to be allowed as well

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Old 08-31-16, 07:10 AM
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Your local code may allow it but personally I wouldn't want any compressible material between the ledger and the framing.
 
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Old 08-31-16, 02:59 PM
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We are re doing a deck that was done probably back in 1980. There is T1-11 and fiberboard under that. The original ledger was placed directly over the T1-11. Not flashed and not pretty. Most of the fiberboard is in good shape, and we plan on cutting off the T1-11, leaving the fiberboard and installing 1/2" plywood over the new sill where the house sill is deteriorated. I concur if it is not compressed and not over 1" thick, your ledger can be snugged to it without compromising the house or deck.

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