Vinyl siding install


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Old 11-07-23, 03:50 PM
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Vinyl siding install

It's time for me to put vinyl siding up and to remove some of the stuff that's bad on the house. All of the fascia needs to be replaced of course and the soffits as well. I'm going to leave the Masonite paneling siding on the house and just put the vinyl over it. From my experience in my understanding, it is impossible to take that stuff off it's just going to take so much labor and I really don't have the ability to do that. I asked several manufacturers including Masonite about this and they said it would be fine since it would be covered.

now with that said I would rather have Hardie Siding but I don't necessarily need to do that I just want the house to look good. Are there going to be any issues with this as far as going around windows and doors? Will I need anything special to make that work? I've been researching how to do the soffits and the fascia so I'm pretty comfortable in that area. The only place I'm going to leave the masonite siding exposed is underneath my carport where it doesn't get wet and it looks really nice right now. I will be painting it to match the color of the vinyl.

one issue I am going to have is that this house was my father's before I got it and he installed a back patio with walls around it. I have pulled out the siding from that area and I can see that the structure is attached directly to the house. It shouldn't be a problem for me to butt up the vinyl at that seam to make a corner right? And then on the inside I'll put the vinyl on that area to finish it out. I don't have any plans to remove the patio though I wish it was exposed on all sides.
 
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Old 11-07-23, 04:35 PM
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Your question is so vague it's hard to answer. Going over your siding is fine, but you ought to put housewrap on it first. Vinyl siding isn't waterproof so if you have no housewrap it will rot the siding underneath eventually, such as under windows.

Put your housewrap on, then do your soffit, then do your siding.
 
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Old 11-07-23, 08:28 PM
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Housewrap I can definitely do that, Wasn't in my budget but I will see about getting it.

Camera on my phone decided to die so I'm waiting on a new phone so I can take photos then

Bad photo of the patio

While this shows a bee hive, thats been removed. This is the corner that I was referring to.
 
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Old 11-08-23, 05:20 AM
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Why do they build houses with siding that goes all the way to the ground? You will likely want to wrap the bottom siding with about 4" of trim coil or fascia cover, so as to keep your starter strip off the ground.

There are 3 ways to do an inside corner.
1). 2 j channels that overlap. Some guys omit one j channel since its covered by the other. Not good in driving rain.
2). Use an ISC... Inside corner channel.
3). Put a 2x2 in the corner, wrap it, then use a j channel on both sides of that..
 
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Old 11-08-23, 07:29 AM
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It's just the back patio which was completely an addition. I was planning to wrap the bottom of that with metal flashing and then go after it with some silicone something heavy duty that's very much water resistant to try to keep that area dry. Looking at the frame and everything it doesn't look like it gets wet surprisingly. If it were me and I had the time and experience that would just take it down and not have the walls but we have bad mosquitoes.
 
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Old 02-27-24, 09:40 AM
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I'm revisiting this issue after speaking with a contractor. He told me that if I were to put Hardie siding on I could do that and not have to remove the existing fiber siding. My concern with all of this has been my windows and doors but he claims that because they protrude a bit I should have no issue with putting that signing on. Currently I'm looking at my windows and the Edge trim is sticking out about an inch. I would rather put Hardie siding on for many reasons. What do you think?
 
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Vinyl siding and Hardie Board aren't much different in where and how they can be installed so that should not influence your decision between the two. You still have the issue of your existing siding extending all the way to the ground. You don't want to entomb that behind vinyl or Hardie.

As for the windows you'll have to trim around them somehow anyhow. So, that's not a deciding factor between vinyl and Hardie. They both will require some treatment around the windows and doors. Vinyl as the benefit that you can wrap existing door & window trim where Hardie it might be easier to remove what trim is there and install new Hardie trimwork.
 
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Old 02-27-24, 12:03 PM
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The stuff that's on the ground has already been removed. That's an old picture. I've been working on getting that better. I'm going at it with a multi-step approach with some flashing, some construction sealer that should keep the water out and then I'm putting PVC board in front of it so all of that should prevent that area from getting wet.

the only way to totally fix this is to tear the patio down and rebuild it completely with the new slab and everything and I'm not financially able to do that. I've already inspected all of the framework and it was completely fine it was just the siding itself that was getting bad.
 
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I'm going to pay someone to remove the siding from my house. This leaves me with the job of putting the Hardie plank siding up which I won't be able to do in just one day. I have a couple of concerns, the first one is having exposed walls while I'm working on the house for a few days. And the second is how do I weatherproof around the electrical box? I'm not going to have an electrician come and I hope that and then be without electricity so I need to find out how to weatherproof it whenever I put this stuff up. Since they are removing the siding I'm going to go ahead and remove wood soffit since it's all connected.
 
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Old 04-03-24, 04:39 AM
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Hold your horses. Your siding is also your sheathing, which is what's bracing the walls.
 
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Old 04-03-24, 09:03 AM
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Are you suggesting that hiring a contractor to come and demo the current siding is going to cause the house to collapse? That doesn't make any sense.
 
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XSleeper never said collapse.

The sheeting on a home provides important support/bracing to prevent the walls from leaning or twisting. The roof likely won't collapse but you could have other damage like cracked sheetrock, doors & windows jamming... especially if you have high winds or an earthquake. Many older homes installed diagonal bracing as part of the framing, installed exterior sheeting boards diagonally while newer homes use sheeting like T1-11, plywood or OSB to provide the lateral support. There is also metal bracing straps you can use for this purpose.

It's not a good idea to strip all the exterior sheeting off of a home. It's best to do one wall at a time. I would strip the T1-11 from one wall, sheet it with plywood or OSB, cover with house wrap, taping and flashing to the windows. Then install new siding.
 
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I guarantee he is not planning on sheeting it. Just siding it. Horrible idea.

Either leave the existing siding on or replace it with sheathing, then housewrap, then siding.
 
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This is what it looks like from the last time we had to replace some panels.
 
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That's great. But is there sheathing under that tyvek?
 
 

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