Shallow recessed light remodel cans?


  #1  
Old 11-23-16, 02:42 PM
S
Member
Thread Starter
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: USA
Posts: 632
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Exclamation Shallow recessed light remodel cans?

Hi,

Our house is a ranch with 2x6 ceiling joists. There is some plywood floor in the attic as well as rigid A/C ducting, so I'm looking for the largest diameter line voltage cans that I can fit within the height of the 5-1/2" tall ceiling joists. I really don't want to cut through the flooring and obviously can't mess w/the ducts that sit on the joists. I also need sealed IC fixtures.

Is there anything larger than 4" so that we can use bigger/brighter LED's and install less fixtures?

Thanks guys!
 

Last edited by syakoban; 11-23-16 at 03:15 PM.
  #2  
Old 11-23-16, 03:32 PM
E
Member
Join Date: Nov 2016
Location: USA
Posts: 156
Likes: 0
Received 3 Likes on 3 Posts
Old work or new work?
I can't post a short message
 
  #3  
Old 11-23-16, 05:43 PM
C
Member
Join Date: May 2015
Location: USA
Posts: 3,288
Received 67 Likes on 52 Posts
OP said remodel....so old work.

Consider using flush mount LED fixtures. They are available in round or square, various sizes, and line or low voltage. If you use line voltage, they only require a jbox in the ceiling, no can. No worries about insulation contact either. They do stick down a little more than a can trim, but not much, maybe an inch.
 
  #4  
Old 11-23-16, 06:39 PM
Tolyn Ironhand's Avatar
Group Moderator
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: United States
Posts: 15,031
Received 629 Likes on 538 Posts
Halo makes shallow 6", air tight, IC rated cans that will fit in a 2x6 cavity. Halo 6 in. Aluminum Recessed Lighting Remodel Shallow IC Air-Tite Housing-H27RICAT - The Home Depot

I suspect other manufacturers do as well, (such as Juno) but I mostly work with Halo.
 
  #5  
Old 11-24-16, 06:20 AM
Handyone's Avatar
Member
Join Date: Aug 2000
Location: U.S.
Posts: 5,449
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Here's a Juno Incandescent fixture, IC21R, 6" diameter and 5.75" high:

Product-Family
 
  #6  
Old 11-24-16, 06:34 AM
chandler's Avatar
Banned. Rule And/Or Policy Violation
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: USA
Posts: 39,964
Likes: 0
Received 9 Likes on 8 Posts
I agree with Paul. Use the shallow LED trims that fit into a 4" junction box. Cost about $35 each, but only two components and you are done. Halo 5 in. and 6 in. Matte White Recessed LED Surface Disk Light with 90 CRI, 3000K-SLD606930WHR - The Home Depot
 
  #7  
Old 11-27-16, 06:27 PM
S
Member
Thread Starter
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: USA
Posts: 632
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Thanks everyone for the useful information.
 
  #8  
Old 12-03-16, 05:31 PM
S
Member
Thread Starter
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: USA
Posts: 632
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Back to the idea of using shallow LED trims that fit into a 4" junction box:

What box volume do I need?

Ceiling joists may not be where I want the lights to layout. Are there old work boxes that can support the weight of these LED's? Are they available in metal?
 
  #9  
Old 12-03-16, 05:40 PM
Tolyn Ironhand's Avatar
Group Moderator
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: United States
Posts: 15,031
Received 629 Likes on 538 Posts
Yes, remodel boxes will have no issues supporting the LED disk lights. I recommend getting the biggest boxes you can as the disk lights take up a lot of room in the box. This is the box I normally use: 1-Gang 18 cu. in. Round Old Work Ceiling Box-B618RR - The Home Depot I would also suggest using #14/2 cable. There are no metal boxes that are 4" round in remodel, but with NM cable it is better to use plastic anyway.
 
  #10  
Old 12-03-16, 06:42 PM
chandler's Avatar
Banned. Rule And/Or Policy Violation
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: USA
Posts: 39,964
Likes: 0
Received 9 Likes on 8 Posts
Even with the boxes Tolyn recommended, and they are the best, you have to position the transformer in a proper position to get it to twist lock in place. You'll see it once you try it. But they work great.
 
  #11  
Old 12-03-16, 07:29 PM
S
Member
Thread Starter
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: USA
Posts: 632
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
I realize the LEDdd lights are not heavy, but is there any code issue since it says "Not intended for fixture or support in ceilings?"

No transformer heat issues in the cramped space?
 
  #12  
Old 12-03-16, 08:04 PM
chandler's Avatar
Banned. Rule And/Or Policy Violation
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: USA
Posts: 39,964
Likes: 0
Received 9 Likes on 8 Posts
No code issues and no heat problems. The note is intended for ceiling fan support.
 
  #13  
Old 12-04-16, 09:31 AM
Tolyn Ironhand's Avatar
Group Moderator
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: United States
Posts: 15,031
Received 629 Likes on 538 Posts
Just another option, These: Commercial Electric 6 in. Soft White Recessed LED Can Disk Light-CE-JB6-650L-27K-E26-2 - The Home Depot are the disk lights I have used. I have not used the ones Chandler posted, but Halo makes some good stuff so I would not shy away from them.
 
 

Thread Tools
Search this Thread
 
Ask a Question
Question Title:
Description:
Your question will be posted in: