Need help to remove globe ceiling flush mount light

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Need help to remove globe ceiling flush mount light

This pic below is of the Flushmount Light I need removed.
This is located on the porch/entrance of my condo and I am not permitted to make changes/cut drywall. I can only remove and replace

I am unable to remove the nut from the bolt, the bold spins along the nut when I try to unfasten already tried lubricants, vinegar, rust remover solution etc still the blot keeps sipping anticlockwise when I try to unscrew the nut. I think its just a horrible design even if it was not corroded it would just keep spinning I tested it at a local store. If the bolt head or bolt rod is held firm and the nut spun anti clock on then it unfastened unfastened . but once installed I am not able to figure out how to remove.

 
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I'm confused.
If it needs to come down what's the issue?
There never should have been a nut there in the first place but if there is just remove the screw and nut together.
 
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Old 05-03-18, 06:22 PM
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I'm also confused. Maybe the nut is on the other side of the plate? Unscrewing the nut and screw should remove the the whole thing from the mounting plate attaching it to the box.
 
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Old 05-03-18, 06:26 PM
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Originally Posted by joecaption View Post
I'm confused.
If it needs to come down what's the issue?
There never should have been a nut there in the first place but if there is just remove the screw and nut together.
Did you bother reading my detailed post? What is confusing in my post?
The bolt spins along the nut, it just keeps rotating and does not unscrew
Even I know " There never should have been a nut " I am here to seek a solution, no point telling me what I have clearly described as my concern that needs a solution
 
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Old 05-03-18, 06:27 PM
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Cut it off with a Dremel tool.
 
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Old 05-03-18, 06:30 PM
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OK, calm down. Can you get a grip with a set of pliers or vise grip on the screw head? If so can you turn and pull down at the same time to force the screw threads to catch the tin of the plate? If not then grind the head off and let it fall off then remove what's left of screw.
 
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Originally Posted by ray2047 View Post
Cut it off with a Dremel tool.
nope, already tried no room to squeeze in rotory or flat baldes
 
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Originally Posted by Norm201 View Post
OK, calm down. Can you get a grip with a set of pliers or vise grip on the screw head? If so can you turn and pull down at the same time to force the screw threads to catch the tin of the plate? If not then grind the head off and let it fall off then remove what's left of screw.
Tried that also.... no luck,
less than 1/2 inch to hold the bolt with a plier . the screw head is on the other side
i am adding additional pictures, it may help







 
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First remove the bulb to get it out of the way. From what your suggesting it's likely the screws are stripped, Once the bulbs out of the way pulling down with needle nosed vice grips pulling straight down and turning counter clockwise should get it out.
Once out retap for 10-32 screw.
 
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I'm also confused. Maybe the nut is on the other side of the plate? Unscrewing the nut and screw should remove the the whole thing from the mounting plate attaching it to the box.
No the nut is not on the other side, I have added additional pics in the earlier post hopefully it will help visualize
i am unable to unscrew the nut and that is my issue, nut and bot seem conjoint and just keep spinning both clockwise or anticlocwise
The head of the bolt is on the other side, head ideally if acceable could have been used to hold the bolt firm and then one could have unsrewed the nut
I am trying my best to explain not sure if I am doing a good job
 
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Old 05-03-18, 06:52 PM
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You can't get a Dremel tool in there? I've had tighter spaces than that to use one. Try using a rust dissolving solution, such as navel jelly (but I doubt it will work). maybe some type of acid will cut through the corrosion. CLR or Lime-A-Way.
 
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Originally Posted by joecaption View Post
First remove the bulb to get it out of the way. From what your suggesting it's likely the screws are stripped, Once the bulbs out of the way pulling down with needle nosed vice grips pulling straight down and turning counter clockwise should get it out.
Once out retap for 10-32 screw.
Please ignore the bulb .. I was lazy to get out the ladder .All my previous attempts were with out the bulb in the socket.
Its not a screw, its a bold with the head on the other side (and not accessible)
I have in earlier post responed to another member i dont have any room to put 2 tools at the same time if i put in a
plier/ nosed vice grips i dont have any room to put in a wrench to unscrew
 
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You can't get a Dremel tool in there? I've had tighter spaces than that to use one. Try using a rust dissolving solution, such as navel jelly (but I doubt it will work). maybe some type of acid will cut through the corrosion. CLR or Lime-A-Way.
No I cannot get Dremel in - the scratched surface you see is due the failed attempt
You may have missed reading my first post I have tried all rust mitigating solutions I have used every possible agents ( including lime a way)
the corrosion is not the issue at all.
Just imagine this how would one unscrew a nut from a bolt in your hands? Hold the bolt first and then spin the nut anti-clockwise, my issue I can only do one at a time due to the tricky spot i cannot do both in one go
I am trying my best to explain this correct, I may eventually upload a video
 
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on the porch/entrance of my condo and I am not permitted to make changes/cut drywall. I can only remove and replace
It is time to let the landlord handle this. Offer to pay the cost.
 
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Originally Posted by ray2047 View Post
It is time to let the landlord handle this. Offer to pay the cost.
LOL ... I own the condo
I am getting eveything but solution to my problem
 
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Old 05-04-18, 12:43 AM
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You could use a chisel to try to enlarge the hole around the screws so you could pull it over the screws. Maybe drill a series of holes around the screw first.

Plan B: Cut a chunk out of the lamp base so you can Dremel the screw.

Concerns: You do have access to the breaker don't you? If truly 3 inches new fixtures may not fit. You may need a larger box.
 
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Old 05-04-18, 04:51 AM
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on the porch/entrance of my condo and I am not permitted to make changes/cut drywall. I can only remove and replace
It is time to let the landlord handle this. Offer to pay the cost.

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LOL ... I own the condo


Doesn't make sense. If you own it then do what you need to remove it. I like Ray's idea. Cut the base. Or get an electrician.
 
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Originally Posted by ray2047 View Post
You could use a chisel to try to enlarge the hole around the screws so you could pull it over the screws. Maybe drill a series of holes around the screw first.

Plan B: Cut a chunk out of the lamp base so you can Dremel the screw.

Concerns: You do have access to the breaker don't you? If truly 3 inches new fixtures may not fit. You may need a larger box.
Hi Ray,
you may have missed seeing the pictures attached in the original post the base is made of very thick metal a chisel is not going to help, cutting the lamp base is simply not possible 1) thick metal 2) risk of drywall damage
I do like your idea of making the the hole size bigger and try to slip it out, that was going to be my last option and was not sure if i was not missing any easy better options

I am not sure I understand your concern: what do you mean by "If truly 3 inches new fixtures may not fit. You may need a larger box." my objective it to remove this old malfunctioning/unfunctional light fixture and put a better outdoor porch light I never mentioned anything about the box
 
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Originally Posted by Norm201 View Post
LOL ... I own the condo


Doesn't make sense. If you own it then do what you need to remove it. I like Ray's idea. Cut the base. Or get an electrician.
Please read the clearly listed impediments & inhibition stated in earlier posts.
I am not sure questions like "Why I need to remove" can help me get to the solution ... it could be anything 1) nonfunctional 2) dead/broken 3) maybe I want to a upgrade 4) or probably my wife who hates the design is nagging about getting it removed etc. I feel this is completely irrelevant and distracting from what I need help with
Its complicated to explain why ... its old and non-practical unit and its currently not serving the purpose I absolutely need a bigger and lengthy light fixture
Condo HOA has rules this falls under exterior area and I cannot fool around. I did call electricians they told me its risky and they cannot take the liability asked me to get general contractor to cut out the drywall HOA rejected the request. Only option I have is uninstall and replace.
Again, base is made of thick metal... I even tried a Reciprocating Saw but it does not help I have hardly 1/4 inch space left inside the hole the blade have up/down movement and needs at least 1 inch to do any cutting.
 
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Plan C: .



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And just so we are on the same page this is what I mean by Dremel.
 
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Plan C: .



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yeah ... I am still scared to use a hammer .... will try today evening to see if it works
 
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And just so we are on the same page this is what I mean by Dremel.
yes, just different brand -Tacklife Advanced Multi-functional Rotary Tool
I am going to combine all your recommendation and try again..... my hopes are higher Thx Ray
 
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You can also use a large screwdriver in the slot to open the hole.
Put it in and twist.
 
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You can also use a large screwdriver in the slot to open the hole.
Put it in and twist.
nope, as mentioned several times in earler posts its made of thick metal ..screwdriver would not even scratch it
 
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That looks like a diecast fixture. Almost like the type used outdoors. You put in a heavy duty square shank screwdriver and turn it with an adjustable wrench. The hole will open or the box will crumble.
 
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Thank you all....

Finally got it out ....Had to resort to my last option (also ray2047's recommendation) made a bigger hole and pulled it out
between i still cannot get the nut unscrewed from the bolt. This is such a horrible design



 

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Good job!! .
 
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Good job!! .
******* Thank you ray2047 *******
 
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Glad yo u got it off. I was beginning to get worried.
 
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Glad yo u got it off. I was beginning to get worried.
I was losing hope and starting to get frustrated with so many different tril and error approaches
30 min of patient drilling to widening the hole and some squeezing pressure down got it our
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