Clack WS1 vs Canature CAN565

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Old 04-08-16, 03:24 PM
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Clack WS1 vs Canature CAN565

Anybody has experience with those? I don't really care if one is made in China or not.
 
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Old 04-09-16, 05:48 AM
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I have experience on both. One is very cheaply made and one will last a very long time. The Can 565 is a knockoff of the Fleck 5600. My vote would be for the Clack.
 
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Old 04-09-16, 10:33 AM
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I understand it's a knockoff, but what exactly wrong with it design wise. Did you deal with it as a installer or home owner? Thanks
 

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I own a water treatment company so I have seen them in the field. They have thinner plastic parts than normal. Thinner mean more breakage because of the elements in the water. If you are looking for something cheap, go to Home Depot & buy a WaterBoss for around $300.00.
 
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Yeah and 3 people whom I talked to said buy anything but not Waterboss. How funny.

Were those 565 or 165 which looks like a fleck.

I have a 8x44 tank fleck 5600 timed softener for about 15 years now. It seems to stop to produce soft water. Is this normal? Is there something I can check?

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Old 04-10-16, 06:58 AM
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Canature is in the same class as the WaterBoss. And that's why I said not to get a Canature. I understood you didn't care to invest but was looking for something cheap. You could rebuild the Fleck for about $300.00 and get it to last another 15 years. Or buy a new metered system and save in the long run. Timered systems are not very efficient.
 
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I have 25 gpg hard water. I think my unit is too small now. When I got it I was only one in household, but now there are 3-4 people in the house. Everywhere I read, it suggests I need 1.5 to 2 cuft. I also have limitations on how tall of a tank I can put in. I can definitely can do 10x44, but 10x48 gets too close to the humidifier air duck which get really hot in the winter and I'm worried it may melt plastic in the valve. If I go with 12" wide tank pathway gets too narrow. Less than 29" which I think would break the code. What do you think? I have two contractors. Both can put clack either WS1 or WS1EE. One is trying to do extra. Like 2 cuft fine mesh resin and 1 cuft catalytic carbon mix into 10x48 tank with backwash filter and double the size of bedding(he said something about 55lb of bedding). He also increases the innertube to 1.25" instead of 1.05" with something at the bottom like filter to prevent channeling. I don't think he can fit all of it into that tank. Same guy offers a can565 with some upgrades that they do before putting it to the public. He said that his CAN565 with use only 6lb of salt. Another guy only does clack and wants to put 9x48 tank with 1 cuft I assume with bedding and set to 16lb salt usage. I feel that the second guy's system is not enough.

What do you think? I'm leading towards clack. btw the prices here in MN are the same clack vs can565 and even sometimes higher for the can565. Don't ask me why. Also can565 looks more like clack and can165 looks like my fleck 5600.

I don't know whom to trust. Please help.
 
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Who measured hardness? Is this compensated hardness? If not, compensated hardness is 25 * 1.2= 30 GPG so 30 GPG * 4 people * 65 average daily usage * 7 days=54,600 grain per week. A 2 Cf will yield 40,000 with efficiency setting (6 lbs salt per CF) Working backwards 40,000/30= 1333 gallons between regen / 4 people / 65 ADU= 5.12 days between regen. 30 days in month / 5.12=5.85 regens per month @ 12 lbs per regen= 70 lbs of salt used per month.

A 1.5 will use 30,000...regen every 3.8 days or 7.8 8 a month using 70 lbs a month. The tank size would need to be 10x54 to hold 1.5 CF. a 10x44 only holds 1 CF IIRC.

16 lbs of salt per regen is outrageous. You would use 125 lbs per month. I sent you a PM.
 
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GPG is from city report. It's a public info. I didn't get your PM.
 
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Compensated hardness takes into account hardness that is in the water but does not show up on a standard test. As you can see from my last post, a 1.5 CF system will work. I resent the PM.
 
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I assume that with 1.5 cuft I would have to go to taller tank. I only can fit a 48" tall tank, but it get too close to the humidifier air duck which get really hot in the winter. Do you think plastic from valve can melt if it gets too close?
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A 12x48 is not taller and looks like it will fit. Any way to move the washer/dryer down enough to fit a 10x54 tank"
 
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I don't think I can move washer and dryer, because than all the water pipes will need to be re-done. The water comes in to the house right behind the softener tank and the slat tank is on the other side of the washer and dryer. Than room is small. If the tank is 48" tall and adding valve itself would leave a 3" space between the top of the valve plastic and the humidifier air duct. Which does get hot in the winter from heat air. Still ok for plastic valve to be that close? Thanks
 
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Are you not wanting to redo pipe, don't have the ability to move pipes or is it too expensive? I would think the salt tank is 18" diameter so moving it to between the washer/dryer and heater would give you plenty of room to move the softener behind it giving lots of head space where you don't have to worry about the heat.
 
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Here is the picture of the other side from washer and dryer.
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I can't move washer and dryer too much to the left because there is a shelf above the shoes rack. So I don't think I will gain any space by moving them to the left unless I remove the shelf, but than I will have no shelves in that room. There is also another door right across the washer and dryer. This not just utility room. It the go throw room from garage into the house( kitchen to be specifically)

Do you see more of my dilemma now? I should take another picture to show it.

If I may ask another question. One of the other guys thinks I can use 10x35 tank for 1 cuft. Do you think 10x35 is too small for 1 cuft?
 
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Do you deal with deal with Fleck units? What is the difference between Fleck 5800 and Fleck 5600 Econominder? Which one do you like more? Thanks
 
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Here is more pictures. I don't have much space on the left of the washer/dryer.
 
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